tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post6208125238749082715..comments2024-03-29T07:54:12.874+00:00Comments on MEI's Barry Wills: Controversial “invisible gold” paper publishedMEIhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14834780351452765156noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-79918411062297775462023-09-25T16:20:30.252+01:002023-09-25T16:20:30.252+01:00Food for thought, What happens when you mix HCL wi...Food for thought, What happens when you mix HCL with Se, What happens when add Hno3 to the complex Fischesserite, ( gold selenide). Will gold selenide dissolve in selenic acid. Ganching deposit in RussiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-8847157866511504362021-11-15T14:41:57.008+00:002021-11-15T14:41:57.008+00:00I can not believe that that some would be assayer...I can not believe that that some would be assayers still think that a spectroscopic analysis is the cure all way to assay everything. It is common knowledge that an ICP and other cure all machines can answer everything, (WoW)but will give a false negative assay when assaying for arsenic and selenium when mixed with rare earths. Think about it +2 elec. charge donated by the rare earths. HUM kinda wild!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-45289608977030523942021-04-30T04:26:56.690+01:002021-04-30T04:26:56.690+01:00here is a method that I hope is not to complex fo...here is a method that I hope is not to complex for you would be assayers. Some ores that will not respond to standard state of the art of assaying. Take a sample and grind it to a -200 mesh and mixed well. Send off a split of this sample and have it fired assayed. Take the other part of the sample and wet it with city tap water that is treated with weak chlorine and store it in a plastic container or glass container and let it set for a year. Now take another sample and have it fire assayed. You will get a big surprise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-49169617002954155052021-03-25T15:35:28.242+00:002021-03-25T15:35:28.242+00:00food for thought, what would happen if this gold w...food for thought, what would happen if this gold was compounded with mercury and selenium, then sample dissolved in nitric acid to show free gold, but the nitric converted the selenium to selenic acid that can dissolve gold. If the selenium can not be detected by a simple assay maybe the assay equipment overlooked it because it was masked by the rare earth. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-56688559321836493642021-03-25T04:00:12.910+00:002021-03-25T04:00:12.910+00:00How would you assay ionic gold. It can be proven t...How would you assay ionic gold. It can be proven that it does exist in nature and through weathering and aging of these hydrous oxides of iron and manganese siliceous gels with additional oxidation and mixture of minerals and organic metallic gold can be panned and assayed. The gold in this type of mineralization is in a fine flour type structure always. The primary source of this gold is still locked up in the complex mixture SB, AS, CO,SE, MO, BI, HG,TE SI, and monazite minerals. How many of you would be assayers know that some of the rare earth metals will interfere with AS, and SE assays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-66168629541297447732020-04-13T02:24:05.746+01:002020-04-13T02:24:05.746+01:00I will make sure that I do not use your closed min...I will make sure that I do not use your closed minded Metallurgical services, thanks. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-4902988924863043572020-04-07T17:39:34.128+01:002020-04-07T17:39:34.128+01:00I suggest that you obtain a copy of Canadian GSC ...I suggest that you obtain a copy of Canadian GSC bulletin 280 and read the information about gold that is absorbed into hydrous siliceous oxides of iron and manganese. This gold cannot be seen with the highest optical microscope, but on aging is de-absorbed and now can be identified. There conclusion the gold is in an ionic form. I wonder how many other metals could be in this form?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-45599419981910358062017-06-16T03:38:27.030+01:002017-06-16T03:38:27.030+01:00the alchemy does exist, and yes it is with pretrea...the alchemy does exist, and yes it is with pretreatment. Then a sample can be assayed. Have you ever read the history on AuTe. Most early day assay labs could not fire assay these type 0f gold ores. If you do not know why then you better start reading or leave the different gold complexes to people that understand chemistry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-73616770562215808822017-06-16T03:24:52.359+01:002017-06-16T03:24:52.359+01:00Hey, I do not think that most of you people have n...Hey, I do not think that most of you people have never read any of these reports on gold that will not respond to standard state of the art of assaying. This means that thiourea, aqua regia, bromine , iodine, fire assay, cyanide, thiosulphate. As for neutron activation, how can it work on gold that is not a metallic. Check your pulp after using any one of the above methods after it has dried you might be surprised and say where did the gold come from that present in the same sample that did not have any before. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-90382729296574393652017-05-30T04:13:02.167+01:002017-05-30T04:13:02.167+01:00Read about Cripple Creek, it was stated that there...Read about Cripple Creek, it was stated that there would never be enough gold to fill a thimble mined from this area. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-91317743255469470572017-05-30T03:49:49.450+01:002017-05-30T03:49:49.450+01:00Read the report, does it not state the this gold c...Read the report, does it not state the this gold complex can not be assayed by standard state of the art methods. It will involve a different approach to liberate the gold into a assayable form. Some of these methods could involve bacteria, organics, oxidizing roast, reducing roast, alkaline roast, acid roast, positive charge leach, negative charge leach, alkaline leach, acid leach, or a combination of two or more of the above methods. We do not care at this time whether it can be mined at a profit, just prove that nature has hidden this gold complex very well! Hey Guys think about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-66839429897839044792017-05-30T03:26:24.156+01:002017-05-30T03:26:24.156+01:00Wow! I wonder how all the gold that was mined and ...Wow! I wonder how all the gold that was mined and smelted into bars was discovered before a spectroscopy was invented. Must be a mystery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-64461461785337008282017-05-19T02:12:45.957+01:002017-05-19T02:12:45.957+01:00I wonder why most discoveries are made by garage o...I wonder why most discoveries are made by garage or back yard chemist other than the very highly educated. My answer is that they were willing to try different methods than what books have to offer. The highly educated man is stuck in a rut and can not get out, because if it is not in the book it can not happen. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-75348383307723286142017-04-28T18:44:32.320+01:002017-04-28T18:44:32.320+01:00Recovered 2.52 grams of metal from 100 pounds of o...Recovered 2.52 grams of metal from 100 pounds of ore that will not show but a trace of gold with standard state of the art assay methods. Believe it or not I really do not care, not looking for investors. Fixing to set up a small pilot scale mill to research the project further. Thanks Prof. Jannie Van Deventer for your workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-36936062682804403572017-04-08T04:31:58.078+01:002017-04-08T04:31:58.078+01:00There is a lab that witnessed mercury being formed...There is a lab that witnessed mercury being formed from a soft grey gel looking substance. I understand that this reaction lasted for about 72 hours. The mercury was extracted and washed with distilled water. The mercury was then dissolved in 20 parts distilled water and 1 part nitric acid and low heat. The material that did not dissolve was ( annealed) heated to dull red heat in a ceramic parting cup. The material proved to be gold. This gold was in two distinct types of crystal forms, dendritic, and small tetra ( pyramid shape). There is a picture of these beautiful gold crystals that was taken by the Colorado School of Mines. This ore was tested by a Major Laboratory. They did not find any gold, but reported finding a mercury mineral of some type, not cinnabar not enough sulfur. They could not identify what the mercury complex was. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-17135022747086211082017-03-29T01:59:16.316+01:002017-03-29T01:59:16.316+01:00Have you ever read DE RE Metallica. A lot of the c...Have you ever read DE RE Metallica. A lot of the chemistry that is being used on gold today was invented by the alchemists of that time. How can any chemist of today discredit what history has documented. Look on page 108 of DE RE Metallica, they talk of native gold and also of the richest of all gold ores ( Rudis) colrs of yellow pink red. This type ore had to be fluxed a different way, Mr Herbet Hoover translated the book into English and could not find what the white powder that was used in the flux was. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-53734240605537597302017-03-06T21:15:04.815+00:002017-03-06T21:15:04.815+00:00I believe that the true chemists and metallurgists...I believe that the true chemists and metallurgists that support the chemistry of this complex form of gold have good reason to believe so. I have performed 50 fire assays on one ore using every type of flux mixture for all types of different gold complexes that are known. The remaining concentrate was stored for later use. This same sample was later panned when a fellow miner want to compare the sulfide of this sample to the sulfide that was mixed with a uranium ore he was mining and selling to Union Carbide. I told him from looking at the records that the sample I had has been sitting for around four years and would be oxidized bad. I went ahead and panned the sample and got a very big surprise, the sample was full of free gold. This same ore I fire assayed and at best got a trace why. I have mined and produced gold and have performed many different types of assays wet, fire . smelt, and several more methods. I think that all the people that support this complex gold have witnessed the same kind of thing happen. How many more chemists and assayers that have not come forth because of the fear the industry will put on them. The medical industry is the same way, documented cases of cancer being cured are shunned at. Is this because that cancer is a multibillion dollar industry. I fear that it is the same in the mining.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-46559249701572468292017-02-28T21:19:37.337+00:002017-02-28T21:19:37.337+00:00I have witnessed tailings from a placer operation ...I have witnessed tailings from a placer operation that I would pan after a day of concentrating. This was part of my job to check and make sure that our recovery was good with very little loss of gold. When checking these same tails around a 6 to 8 months later will show more free gold when panning. I have worked with many ores that will not fire assay. When pretreating these same ores then fire assaying will show very good values. After spending a lot of hard earned money to obtain copies of several patents on treating of complex ores. My family and I picked one patent to try the same day we received all the patents. This method was with the use of a nitrate and a chloride to volatize the gold. When we checked the sample we found very little gold that was volatized, but when we panned the pulp it showed a lot of free gold. Fire assaying the same head ore will show at the best a trace. We followed up with several more of these roasts that used up the entire 15 five gallon buckets of ore samples with the same results. We wanted to run more test but had to wait for spring to get to the mine site to get more samples. We finally got to the mine April 2nd and cut more samples from the exact same cut in the bank. When we got back to town, we ran a quick tests. When we panned the sample we could not find a single piece of gold. this prompted us to try many samples. These results jerked the rug right out from under us. We ran 2 to 5 A.T samples and filled two number 3 wash tubs three fourths of sample tails that did not show one piece of gold. I studied all of the reports and the methods we used to try to find out what the problems was. We save the the pulp from samples we treat so they can be treated before disposal. After three months and several more samples the problem was still not solved. I had a visit with an old friend and he asked for a favor. He asked me to give hime a panning lesson and so I did. I took a sample from the roast test to pan. I knew that it would not show any gold but would show some heavy black sand and would work for a lesson. To my surprise the sample showed lots of gold and blew my mind. It took several more months to resolve why the gold did not show up after the roast. This problem has to do with sample containers and time. I then constructed a unit to handle around 500 pounds and for safety reasons will try a smaller size sample first. The test showed good results but with major problems because of the problems of the pressure that is created within the roast. Yes Mr. J. Van Deventer there is gold that exists in nature that all of our high priced equipment and knowledge will not show. If any highly educated man or woman feels that they have all the answers to this complex world we live in, I am truly very sorry for them. Thanks from a long time miner and assayor. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-63384990701434110972016-12-24T22:04:03.879+00:002016-12-24T22:04:03.879+00:00Feel sorry for you, someday maybe you will wake up...Feel sorry for you, someday maybe you will wake up. Professor Jannie Van Deventer will in the very near future prove that he has a very brilliant mind and this complex form of gold will be proven to exist in nature. First fire assay on the Carlin deposit, 2 out of 11 showed values. Please check out information From Mr. H. T Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-45260085902351798112016-06-08T12:35:12.864+01:002016-06-08T12:35:12.864+01:00Hello Ron,
Very interested to read your post. I t...Hello Ron,<br /><br />Very interested to read your post. I too am a metallurgist and have spent many years experimenting with such ores and have observed many of the same things that you described. On several occasions I have extracted metal, but not always. If you would like any help I might be able to give you few tips. It will be great to hear from you even if just to swap a few stories. To contact me please write me on my email: myhubble@yahoo.com<br /><br />AlexAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-30603321775222684392016-05-23T14:58:26.329+01:002016-05-23T14:58:26.329+01:00Ron what was the flux you used for the first and s...Ron what was the flux you used for the first and secondary oxidative fire assay? I would love to give it a shot. Thanks for the info. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03784689898339672057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-50399740317023216412016-05-22T05:17:03.943+01:002016-05-22T05:17:03.943+01:00Take some slag from your fire assay ( 30 or 40 gra...Take some slag from your fire assay ( 30 or 40 grams) and grind it to -150 to- 200 mesh add 20 mil of Clorox ( sodium hypochlorite ), and 200 mil of tap water, add 2 grams of sodium carbonate and a gram of reagent grade aluminum. Use the proper glass ware and heat to around 160-180 F*. Stir for 20-30 minutes. Pan and you will find some slag will contain gold that was lost in the first fire assay. This con from your test can be fire assayed using standard flux with small addition of sodium hydroxide to flux any remaining aluminum. Good luck Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-77782705708175450912016-05-14T23:32:17.025+01:002016-05-14T23:32:17.025+01:00Hello,
I am a pyro-metallurgist working on ores in...Hello,<br />I am a pyro-metallurgist working on ores in the Northwest. I would like to tell you my story if I may? 4 years ago I was called by my father to come help him on a mine he had invested in. I showed up and we went to the site and extracted some very interesting material. When we attempted gravity separation we saw little to no Gold but always had a strange white compound of about 240 mesh or smaller leading the table. This compound was just heavy. Subsequent assays showed little or no Gold until one AA showed just over an ounce of Pt per ton. Most assays showed little or nothing. Encouraged by the existence of the Pt I began searc hing for an explanation. Here's what I discovered;<br /><br />Then ore body had a variety of compounds and some PM's in the metallic state but the majority of PM's were in an altered atomic state. This altered state is almost just as VanDeventer describes. All assay procedures rely on interatomic electric conductivity in order to create the interference patterns out of the crystallography of the minerals before a satisfactory reading can be obtained. Distorotion of the valence electrons or even an orbital rearrangement, can cause detection to 'miss'. and since most software is built off of Russian PT placer deposits (for the purposes of PGM's) there is an isotope difference between the two which makes detection nearly impossible. I was able to Isolate EXCELLENT results by using a high temperature, high alkaline, high carbon firing embodiment. Once collection is achieved then a secondary oxidative fusion to remove reduced base metals is done utilizing combinations of different oxidating compounds that drive much of the base metals to the flux. In an ore that reads little to no PM's I just smelted 300 grams of cons and retrieved 41 grams of metal. After oxidation smelting that was reduced to 32 grams of beautiful silver metal that we cannot remelt without a plasma furnace. We are awaiting the results from an ICP to confirm, but preliminary testing shows Iridium, Platinum, Rhodium and Gold in abundance. Here's the thing....The study that VanDeventer talks about has already been done. These people need to start reading other people work and definately if you suspect PGM's all I will say is look to the Russian academy of science. The work they have done on PGM's is second to none. Good luck fellers :)ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04520915259789093754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-79679414288460755172015-10-29T03:19:28.716+00:002015-10-29T03:19:28.716+00:00A sample was prepared by fine grinding and split, ...A sample was prepared by fine grinding and split, one for fire assaying by Hazen research value trace, remaining sample from split was leached with thiourea, solution assay value .005, dry pulp from leach assay, .15 au , .05 Pt.. Interesting that the pulp will show values after a thiourea leach. Interesting that most of the ores that do not respond to standard state of the art assay methods all contain the rare earth elements. monazite group. Most of these complex ores are deposited by cold to hot water alkaline sulphide solutions. Check information on this gold complex from several Canadian Geologic Surveys. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6908362959739425575.post-89718976577466222972015-09-26T04:43:07.200+01:002015-09-26T04:43:07.200+01:00Wake up you nonbelievers the world is not flat an...Wake up you nonbelievers the world is not flat and you wont fall off . I think that there is more information that proves that there are many metals besides the precious metals found in nature in a complex form. Why doe`s most of the gold that was mined in early history contain a large percentage of platinum an group metals, Could this be that some of the early chemistry has been lost. I suggest for a starter it would be of great to read a book that MR. Herbert Hoover and his Wife Lou. translated, DE RE Metallica. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com